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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2006/07/06/4th-july/comment-page-1/#comment-17239</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kevin,

I never claimed America, or any other nation for that matter, was perfect. And I dont remember mentioning anything about slavery. My point was merely that, the people I have met and talked to since I came to England, a lot of them very smart people, don&#039;t seem to hve been thought a balanced view of England&#039;s colonial past.

And, like I said I am only here two years, but the BBC coverage of the situation in Northern Ireland is very poor compared to the coverage it receives in the Republic of Ireland.

Jon.

p.s. I haven&#039;t read common sense. I didn&#039;t think my response required that much research but I will read next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin,</p>
<p>I never claimed America, or any other nation for that matter, was perfect. And I dont remember mentioning anything about slavery. My point was merely that, the people I have met and talked to since I came to England, a lot of them very smart people, don&#8217;t seem to hve been thought a balanced view of England&#8217;s colonial past.</p>
<p>And, like I said I am only here two years, but the BBC coverage of the situation in Northern Ireland is very poor compared to the coverage it receives in the Republic of Ireland.</p>
<p>Jon.</p>
<p>p.s. I haven&#8217;t read common sense. I didn&#8217;t think my response required that much research but I will read next.</p>
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		<title>By: jcm</title>
		<link>http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2006/07/06/4th-july/comment-page-1/#comment-17157</link>
		<dc:creator>jcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 08:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be clear on two points:

* I&#039;ve never been anti-American. I&#039;m anti-US foreign policy, the Republican party and a lot of the obvious problems with modern day isolationism/lack of awareness about the wider world. But I&#039;m not anti the founding principals nor what the country is supposed to stand for.

* I am currently reading Common Sense (it&#039;s available online too, you know...). Slavery was a giant blot on the whole Independence thing. In fact, an original draft of the US constitution called for it to be more or less abolished, but that didn&#039;t happen. Some ideas just take a long time to really effect change - but eventually that did happen. I don&#039;t think the UK really offered a system of equality until recent decades either.

Jon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be clear on two points:</p>
<p>* I&#8217;ve never been anti-American. I&#8217;m anti-US foreign policy, the Republican party and a lot of the obvious problems with modern day isolationism/lack of awareness about the wider world. But I&#8217;m not anti the founding principals nor what the country is supposed to stand for.</p>
<p>* I am currently reading Common Sense (it&#8217;s available online too, you know&#8230;). Slavery was a giant blot on the whole Independence thing. In fact, an original draft of the US constitution called for it to be more or less abolished, but that didn&#8217;t happen. Some ideas just take a long time to really effect change &#8211; but eventually that did happen. I don&#8217;t think the UK really offered a system of equality until recent decades either.</p>
<p>Jon.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin O'Donnely</title>
		<link>http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2006/07/06/4th-july/comment-page-1/#comment-17002</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin O'Donnely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm, nice to see 18th century propaganda is still having an effect. Jon, I don&#039;t feel you&#039;re qualified to make comments like these without even having read Common Sense - possibly the central text of the entire episode - which would suggest your research and knowledge is next to nothing.

Don&#039;t forget that most blacks were fighting on the British side in the War of Independence - and that America was still segregated until the late 1960s. Not exactly whiter than white, if you&#039;ll excuse the pun, and that&#039;s the recent history of an apparently civilised nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm, nice to see 18th century propaganda is still having an effect. Jon, I don&#8217;t feel you&#8217;re qualified to make comments like these without even having read Common Sense &#8211; possibly the central text of the entire episode &#8211; which would suggest your research and knowledge is next to nothing.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that most blacks were fighting on the British side in the War of Independence &#8211; and that America was still segregated until the late 1960s. Not exactly whiter than white, if you&#8217;ll excuse the pun, and that&#8217;s the recent history of an apparently civilised nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaed</title>
		<link>http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2006/07/06/4th-july/comment-page-1/#comment-16985</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 07:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange... For all those years you were so anti-American, and now look at you...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange&#8230; For all those years you were so anti-American, and now look at you&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2006/07/06/4th-july/comment-page-1/#comment-16984</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 06:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America wasn&#039;t the only country the UK was less then nice too. And it wasn&#039;t just the UK either.  Since I moved to the UK it amazes me how little english people know about the negative side of their colonising past. I have never looked at the UK&#039;s history curriculum but it would be interesting to see if it is only glossed over in the UK, or if it happens in other former colonial powers as-well.

One thing that really does bug me is the way the British media seems to completely ignore everything that happens in Northern Ireland. When I want to see what is happening there I have to read an Irish newspaper or website. I can&#039;t ever remember seeing decent BBC coverage of an event in Northern Ireland whereas RTE news seems to have at least one item on every news bulletin. Granted, I have only been in the UK for two years.

Jon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America wasn&#8217;t the only country the UK was less then nice too. And it wasn&#8217;t just the UK either.  Since I moved to the UK it amazes me how little english people know about the negative side of their colonising past. I have never looked at the UK&#8217;s history curriculum but it would be interesting to see if it is only glossed over in the UK, or if it happens in other former colonial powers as-well.</p>
<p>One thing that really does bug me is the way the British media seems to completely ignore everything that happens in Northern Ireland. When I want to see what is happening there I have to read an Irish newspaper or website. I can&#8217;t ever remember seeing decent BBC coverage of an event in Northern Ireland whereas RTE news seems to have at least one item on every news bulletin. Granted, I have only been in the UK for two years.</p>
<p>Jon.</p>
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