Comments on: [rant] Desktop application complexity http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2010/12/11/rant-desktop-application-complexity/ World Organi[sz]ation Of Broken Dreams Thu, 01 Dec 2011 20:35:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Adam Williamson http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2010/12/11/rant-desktop-application-complexity/comment-page-1/#comment-133351 Adam Williamson Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:39:22 +0000 http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/?p=923#comment-133351 +1 bochecha. configuration centralization *does* bring benefits. for instance, without a common database of media players in dbus (used to be hal), you couldn't just plug in any old media player, have Rhythmbox recognize it, and be able to transfer tracks to it in a format it's known to support. +1 bochecha. configuration centralization *does* bring benefits.

for instance, without a common database of media players in dbus (used to be hal), you couldn’t just plug in any old media player, have Rhythmbox recognize it, and be able to transfer tracks to it in a format it’s known to support.

]]> By: bochecha http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2010/12/11/rant-desktop-application-complexity/comment-page-1/#comment-133294 bochecha Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:14:18 +0000 http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/?p=923#comment-133294 > "gnome-settings-daemon, which seems to have been designed with only local desktop/laptop users in mind, or at least completely fails to handle NFS shares that have gone away. A bit of digging determined the problem, but debugging this is beyond most users." It could be argued that those users that can't debug will be running Gnome on a local desktop/laptop anyway, without any NFS share. Did you get the bug fixed? However, I can't follow you on the « applications should be self contained ». If things were still done this way, a desktop environment would only be a collection of random bits. I love that it all feels integrated. I love that I can right-click on a song in Rhythmbox to send it to a contact via email or IM. I love that I can right-click on a contact in Empathy to start a desktop sharing session. Etc... In a consistent desktop environment, applications need to have knowledge of each other, and be at least loosely coupled. But yeah, handling properly NFS shares is certainly something worth doing as well, I just find it completely orthogonal to the self-containedness of applications. > “gnome-settings-daemon, which seems to have been designed with only local desktop/laptop users in mind, or at least completely fails to handle NFS shares that have gone away. A bit of digging determined the problem, but debugging this is beyond most users.”

It could be argued that those users that can’t debug will be running Gnome on a local desktop/laptop anyway, without any NFS share.

Did you get the bug fixed?

However, I can’t follow you on the « applications should be self contained ». If things were still done this way, a desktop environment would only be a collection of random bits. I love that it all feels integrated. I love that I can right-click on a song in Rhythmbox to send it to a contact via email or IM. I love that I can right-click on a contact in Empathy to start a desktop sharing session. Etc…

In a consistent desktop environment, applications need to have knowledge of each other, and be at least loosely coupled.

But yeah, handling properly NFS shares is certainly something worth doing as well, I just find it completely orthogonal to the self-containedness of applications.

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