Comments on: San Francisco – gun ban law passes http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2005/11/10/san-francisco-gun-ban-law-passes/ World Organi[sz]ation Of Broken Dreams Thu, 01 Dec 2011 20:35:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: jcm http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2005/11/10/san-francisco-gun-ban-law-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-3132 jcm Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:16:02 +0000 http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/?p=341#comment-3132 Ok. So it's not perfect, but I don't think taxes on alcohol are sufficiently high to put people off drinking. On the other hand, I was discussing just today how high petrol prices are making people take action at the moment - and I don't think the taxes on petrol are high enough to really put people off. No, I'm talking super taxation. Like a level of tax many times the cost of the item and perhaps rated according to the average cost of GSW treatment at an average hospital. Should only mean the average gun cost 10 times as much. Ok. So it’s not perfect, but I don’t think taxes on alcohol are sufficiently high to put people off drinking. On the other hand, I was discussing just today how high petrol prices are making people take action at the moment – and I don’t think the taxes on petrol are high enough to really put people off.

No, I’m talking super taxation. Like a level of tax many times the cost of the item and perhaps rated according to the average cost of GSW treatment at an average hospital. Should only mean the average gun cost 10 times as much.

]]> By: Philippe http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2005/11/10/san-francisco-gun-ban-law-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-3131 Philippe Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:14:17 +0000 http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/?p=341#comment-3131 Wel taxation is a possiblility. It will however create a bigger illegal circuit for smuggling weapons. Just think of the huge amount of people that go buy their sigarettes in France? And look at the famous alcohol boats travelling between Finland and Estonia, Germany or Sweden. It might hamper the pourer or less flexible people (or just the ones that don't happen to live close to the border) but could also just push them into looking into the black market (which will be pretty big in the US seen the amount of guns in circulation because until now it always has been really easy to get one). .A more reasonable approach might be like in Belgium. Make it more expensive to get (but not too much), but also increase the amount of paperwork. So that the process is tedious enough to keep the ones that just want a gun for the coolness factor from getting one, without making it so hard that they get tempted to purchase one on the black market. In Belgium you first need to get a license. You can only get it after you have been screened by the police and have followed a training course in some firearm club and taken a succesful exam. Of course this all costs money and (lots of) time Also you are not allowed to take the gun home for the first few years (you need to leave it in the club) before you are allowed to take it home. On top of that you are not allowed to have both the handgun and ammo at the same place expect at home or on a gun range. (It might not be completely accurate as I never tried to get a gun myself as I really see no need to have one) Wel taxation is a possiblility. It will however create a bigger illegal circuit for smuggling weapons. Just think of the huge amount of people that go buy their sigarettes in France? And look at the famous alcohol boats travelling between Finland and Estonia, Germany or Sweden. It might hamper the pourer or less flexible people (or just the ones that don’t happen to live close to the border) but could also just push them into looking into the black market (which will be pretty big in the US seen the amount of guns in circulation because until now it always has been really easy to get one). .A more reasonable approach might be like in Belgium. Make it more expensive to get (but not too much), but also increase the amount of paperwork. So that the process is tedious enough to keep the ones that just want a gun for the coolness factor from getting one, without making it so hard that they get tempted to purchase one on the black market. In Belgium you first need to get a license. You can only get it after you have been screened by the police and have followed a training course in some firearm club and taken a succesful exam. Of course this all costs money and (lots of) time Also you are not allowed to take the gun home for the first few years (you need to leave it in the club) before you are allowed to take it home. On top of that you are not allowed to have both the handgun and ammo at the same place expect at home or on a gun range. (It might not be completely accurate as I never tried to get a gun myself as I really see no need to have one)

]]> By: Si (a different one) http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2005/11/10/san-francisco-gun-ban-law-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-3130 Si (a different one) Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:03:00 +0000 http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/?p=341#comment-3130 Yeah that's right. Just look how increasing taxes have reduced heavy drinking and car use in this country. Yeah that’s right.

Just look how increasing taxes have reduced heavy drinking and car use in this country.

]]> By: jok http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/2005/11/10/san-francisco-gun-ban-law-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-3129 jok Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:55:41 +0000 http://www.jonmasters.org/blog/?p=341#comment-3129 Taxation is the answer. The massive tax slapped onto tobacco in the UK and its success should be proof enough for anyone that nobody buys heavily taxed products. Taxation is the answer. The massive tax slapped onto tobacco in the UK and its success should be proof enough for anyone that nobody buys heavily taxed products.

]]>